If you intend to buy something from Brownells, please use their banners above. This Spanish Llama model IX-A is a single action, semi-automatic pistol that is chambered for the.45 ACP cartridge. This stamp identifies the importer of this pistol as Stoeger Industries, and tells us that they are located in South Hackensack, New Jersey. Automatic pistols made by Gabilondo from 1914 to 1933 were based on Browning F.N. The next and last stamp is the date code. 5T' ^ .f l.ri^amln.TlMMt.ffl,;,!,! Barrel length is 5 1/2" This gun has an internal extractor like the Colt. Llama Mod. Eibar, Spain No. Another company did import them but they are not marked in any way. Check the sticker label on the side of the . Website by Hudson. It is not aBeretta 92 but a Llama design. Known as a Modelo Extra. Resource: Spanish Handguns by Gene Gangarosa Astra automatic pistols by Leonardo Antaris The standard directory of proof marks by Gerhard Wirnsberger Official guide to gunmarks by Robert Balderson Llama model IX-A instruction manual. If you do a Google search of Stoeger and read the Wikipedia entry on the company and do the same for Llama you can get a general idea of the DOM. 33206, m'l'ly ' 1 111 ' |' 111' i ' 111111 |'|i|'i'jili|i|i|i|i|i|ij'i' I' 111.1.1 in | Ijlj'll 1' 1' 'j'' m i' |' i' i' m |' i' i' i' 11111 m ij i 11111 11111111 ij i111ii11111 1I1111111111111, ii i iTl i < i J. t mii i 11 n in it !i i m It i kIii nlirti ti i iTliitilit Mlntt liiniitulimli into'! Check the Serial Number data field in the BIOS Main menu. In 1931 it was decided to modernize their line by undertaking the manufacture of the external hammer, recoil-operated system originally designed by Browning and used by Colt and the Fabrique . This is the label on the box for this gun. On a Llama it is usually on the left side of the frame just above the trigger guard. On the flat plate on the bottom of the gun, just rear of where the magazine is inserted, look for a letter, set of letters or a word. After the close of World War II certain models were dropped, grip safeties were added to the remaining models, and a .22 caliber pistol was introduced. In 1931 it was decided to modernize their line by undertaking the manufacture of the external hammer, recoil-operated system originally designed by Browning and used by Colt and the Fabrique Nationale. This is a Commander size with a double stack magazine. I have seen the Llama and Cal. u < I, ' 1 1 ! Elgoibar, Spain No. How old is a llama 380 with a serial number of 435222? IV and is, therefore, the original Llama pistol, manufacture of which dates from 1932. Big Sean Finally Famous Deluxe Edition Zip Sharebeast. A Model X-1 has been noted, but details are unknown. 36228, No. Somewhat later a variant pattern in 9 mm. LLAMA Location: Philippines Same firm that was founded in 1904 and produced several inexpensive revolvers and pistols prior to 1931. For some reason this first model produced later was designated Model IV. It has no dovetail for the rear sight and both sights are silver soldered on, so it almost has to be Llama made entirely. Llama model 87 Competition 9mm, 40 SW and 7.65 P. This gun is much the same as the model 82 but, so I am told, was built under contract by Beretta for Llama. For all practical purposes, we are looking at the handguns produced under the 'Llama' name, and not the earlier Gabilondo y Cia products. Likewise, the year 1981 was represented with the code A2. It did not come with a box so I have no idea how it was classified when it originally sold. Llama Pistol Series. You still pay the normal price, our commission comes from their profit, so you have nothing to lose, while we have something to gain. VII, but in three calibers: 7.65 mm. Did not realize refreshing the site would do that. Now under the left grip I found an F followed the numbers 234 which also happens to be stamped on the barrel trigger and back strap. Grips Compatible with Llama XV 22RF XA IIIA 32 380 ACP (Reproduction Work) Made & Shipped from Thailand. Mod. Stoger as a firearms importer went out of buisness long ago, The name is used today by a publishing company. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. ' r nn< . Larry Well Larry, Thanks so much for the help! LlamaPolice Model- Manufacture 1933 date code F, blow back operated, cal 7.65 or .380, 7 round mag, barrel 3 ". 324 7.65 mm. This is a little known model used by the Spanish Policein .380 if it had a model number it is unknown by anyone. Whatever you buy from them, using those banners, gives us a small commission, which helps us keep these sites alive. Post War serial numbers are all offset. VI may have been given to these pistols. Short, second blowback pattern and more closely approached the external shape of the Mod. Stock No. 2.5 2.5 out of 5 stars (6) $47.99 $ 47. . Check the sticker label on the warranty card. It was an imitation of Colt Mod. Find your rifle using one of the three follwing methods: Using the SwissWaffen.com rifle overview picture gallery. You may also find this gun MarkedSuper Police on the right side of the slide. Somewhat later a variant pattern in 9 mm. The codes began with A in 1927, and after reaching Z in 1954, continued with A1 in 1955. Browning Short caliber, heavier than Mod. Spanish law more or less says if you do not make it in Spain the patent is no good, so Browning lost. On Windows 7, press Windows + R, type "cmd" into the Run dialog, and then press Enter. Mod. Here we can see that the magazine floorplate along with the bottomof the backstrap of the pistol has been stamped with 'MADE IN SPAIN'. Hello, sign in . Shipping Notes: On Star Pistols, the date code is usually under the left grip panel on the grip frame. 'F. Gustav Genschow & Co, imported guns from Spain to be sold to Nazi party members and marked their guns with the Geco logo which is a large G with the eco inside it. Parabellum, 9 mm. Parabellum caliber was produced. If you try to sell it to a gun shop, you can basically expect jack squat. This was the original Llama pistol, dating from 1931-32, in 9 mm. This is then followed by two more rounds fired at normal pressure levels to determine whether the self loading mechanism is still functioning properly, if it was, then the stamp was applied to the firearm. corresponds to the year 1984. Model: "LLAMA" ESPECIAL Serial Number: 277547 Caliber Info: 32 ACP Condition: VERY GOOD Metal Condition: VERY GOOD Wood Condition: EXCELLENT Bore Condition: EXCELLENT Barrel Type: 3 3/4 Action: SEMI AUTO Finish: BLUE Sights: OPEN Item Location: RI See all listings by RUDIM6 Print this listing That's when the feds demanded all guns, after '68, receive serial numbers. Llama Pistol Identification - Firearms identification Automatic pistols made by Gabilondo from 1914 to 1933 were based on Browning F.N. This gun is Geco marked above the trigger. Both the solid rib and the vent rib were used, Llama model -XI 9mm P. The first design had the W spring detent and possibly came with only lined wood grips asthat is the only way I have seen them. so on. Officers were to furnish their own guns so many Llamas were sold, although I have only seen one large caliber gun with the Geco mark. This gun has no proof marks whatsoever. This tells you the gun's maker. s U i'*i* V k I ! Custom 4S Grips and trigger and a full smoothing of the internal parts. It dates from about 1935 and is believed to have replaced the first two models in distribution and to have been dropped from production in 1954. How to find Llama serial number on Llama guns.. this process and this procedure. 175). It was made prior to World War II only. d'Armes LePage Lige, Belgium No. X. Mod. Visit the manufacturer's website and see if there is a way to do an S/N number check on the website and see what information is available. Jlllll;|!||'|!llii||.|,l||M[|in!Hltlltlllll, No. 329 7.65 mm. Locked Breech as you can see in the photo below, 161mm overall length, 94mm barrel and 8 round magazine. 1911A1, but without the grip safety, and in 9 mm. It is a full-size reproduction of the Colt-Browning recoil-operated pistol Mod. They were not imported into the US and only bring backs are here. This model was produced until about 1954. Not much is known about the Llama serial number sequencing, so we are attempting to do a database spreadsheet. The right place to find all older Star pistol model numbers is on the butt, as seen in the illustrations below and photo to the right. The pistols that were built after 1936 will have slide markings that readLLAMA GABILONDO Y CIA. IX-A.-This is the .45 ACP caliber, to which a grip safety was added immediately following World War II. Any help with this would be very much appreciated. Why this ever got out of the factory is a mystery to everyone. IV.-This was the original Llama pistol, dating from 1931-32, in 9 mm. The Logo on the grips is BC not GB for Gregorio Bolumburu as some report it to be. i , No. Feb 06, 2013 Pilot. I, to which no model number was originally assigned. Our Lookup will provide a detailed report including your Mac's specs, production dates, and technical . Largo (Bergmann) caliber. Llama Model 1, Walther P38, Llama 38.. IX.-First described as a recoil-operated style of the Mod. A forum community dedicated to handgun owners and enthusiasts. III is distinguished by the addition of the grip safety but otherwise is the same as Mod. through the alphabet once, they started with "A*1," then "B*1" Simply input the gun's serial number into the search field to see if your weapon is listed. Seriously, you need the serial Browning filed a law suit against Beristain for patent infringement but lost the suit in 1925 . 37963, ' I tI M 111 m 111 nI y 11 I' I' I' I' I' I J'lM'li[inin^ni|ii, > . They had the straight serrations of the earlier series. with the year. This is a Ruby 7 shot 7.65 mm made in 1928 with a B date code. Unusual W detent spring on Model V which is also on the model I, II and one variation of XI. Your search for Llama Serial Number will produce better results if you simplify your keywords and exclude words like: serial, key, number, code, activation, keygen, crack, etc. Second Variant Humpback The second variant has the serial number on the left arm of the slide, near the front. I will change the designation on the database list. However, my Max I 9mm Govt size is the best 9mm shooter I have. Llama Serial Number Lookup Llama Firearms , officially known as Llama-Gabilondo y Cia SA , was a Spanish arms company founded in 1904 under the name Gabilondo and Urresti . Beristain cancelled the contract even though he won. This gun is also a model V made in 9mm P. This gun was made in 1945 and is shown with different grips. Good luck getting the screws back on! Serial number has been in two different places also. -. Unless one of the Llamas has this mark or you have the bring back papers you cannot tell for sure if it was used in Germany during the war or not. For pistols built before 1936 the mmarking would be: Gabilondo Y Cia Eloeibar(Espana) Cal 9MM/.380IN Llama, Llama Gabilondo Y Cia Eloeibar(Espana) Cal 9mm .380, The best source of data would a for a fee service run by the Blue Book of Gun valuses run it thru www.bluebookinc.com, Numrich Gun Parts Corporation Browning Short caliber, heavier than Mod. To this weapon was given the trade name Llama' which is the name for currently made Gabilondo pistols. A LLAMA 32ACP pistol currently has too little sold data to calculate an average price. However, factory literature of 1936-39 shows this model in .45 cal. Auction: 14505864 LSB#: 170816OQ08 Title: , C&R 9mm Largo (.38 ACP) Make: Llama Gabilondo y Cia S.A. They were used in trials but never passed the requirements and only Star and Astra were purchased. At the time serial numbers were not controlled by the Spanish government so it could have been either way. This is the admission proof mark that appears on Spanish handguns submitted to the official government proof house in Eibar Spain after July 9, 1931. 'IlllillililT^ililfllllliHlil r ,.,.,!ffl.7l0,i|i,1.l,*.,.,I,il.m, r ' r ! ' I have read that they are not the most reliable guns but I believe I may buy this one. It is still in production. The pistol was in beautiful shape, and I believe untouched. I got interested in the baby Llamas because they were pretty well made minature 1911s. Parabellum caliber with a variant style of grip frame and hammer and has no grip safety. XI.-This is a 9 mm. iT : ! I I I I^.i I.I I I I^ I) I I I I tea* . If you advertise "looking for Blastomatic Model 11" with the specific serial number, you might find the current owner. During the Spanish Civil war all of the gun makers were within the Republican (Basque) held territory, even Astra who was actually on the side of the Nationalist or on the side with the Catholic Church actually. I ! t 11 l?T it:t*tttl t ftfluc^ f I iff 1 ff fl cTTt v > 1, No. I am especially interested in the model IX .45 cal and VII 9mm P. All are early guns produced before 1955. Estimated Value *Using 80% condition for calculating used Values. In 1931 it was decided to modernize their line by undertaking the manufacture of the external hammer, recoil-operated system originally designed by Browning and used by Colt and the Fabrique Nationale. Llama Model II - .380mm Production started in 1933 and lasted thru 1954. Proofs and made in Spain have been wiped in a refinish, along with most of the GC in an oval on the right side of the gun. As with my model VII this gun was made in 1934. caliber, was issued along with Mod. All the Max series Llamas I've owned or worked on are solid. ELOEIBAR(ESPANA) andbe marked with the caliber of the handgun and the Llama name such as, CAL. t fg^Ap, [Tyc I: . This model was produced until about 1954. Vintage and antique guns may not have the serial number printed on the gun's body, because they were manufactured before the legal requirement to do so. 175). The stampings that are on the frame in the picture on the right are proof marks and year of manufacture marks. This gun was also made with a raised area where the rib is that has lines to deflect glare. t i'^' 11 till t l^lll 11 ll nTi f r 11 In iTl 111! III, but this has not been confirmed. III and is merely a smaller version of that model (Fig. 11 M', No. No one seems to know anything. Mod. Looking mostly for the model IV, VII, VIand the Ruby 45 even as a parts gun but will consider anything. Pre-War serial #s are centered on the butt unless there was a swivel. Model VIII is chambered for the .38 Super. | | 11111 tj 111111 1111111 ij 11111111111111. I haveseen another like it. I have records of this gun being made as early as 1932 and as late as 1944. It is a full-size reproduction of the Colt-Browning recoil-operated pistol Mod. Followed by "S.HACKENSACK, N.J" 11 r 1^11M ! Export designation 515A) Industria Armi Galesi Collebeato (Brescia), Italy Dated 1956 No. Gunsmithing, Troubleshooting & Refinishing, M1911 Disassembly and reassembly animations, Tests of Products of general shooters interest, Airsoft/Air Gun Modifications, Troubleshooting and Maintenance. This stamp will either have the letter P inside the bomb for semi-automatic pistols or the letter R for revolvers. 37272, 'limlll^'llltlM^lHl!,!^ I* 1 imlllTltfllTltU li mTt I nil', 1 i' I' I ' '(|' 1 1 I' ' 1 I' ' 1 11 ' ' ' ' 11' 1 11 ' 111 I 1 I ' I 1 ' ' I ' ' 1 I 11 1 I' I 1 I ' |' I ' M |, I! 1111 > 'i^lll >', fni'Tf-' ' , ' .f1.!!.!,. Piotti. ' ' ' ' ' ' '' ' ', No. 37' Metallwaren, Waffen u. Munitionsfabrik Budapest, Hungary No. This is in 38 Super and is only the second I have seen. 'Extra' 9mm Largo - 1940 - 45680 'Extra' 9mm Largo - 1940 - 46306 'Extra' 9mm Largo - 1940 - 46883 Model II - 380 ACP - 1943 - 70989 Model I - 32 ACP - 1943 - 72994 (German GECO marked) Model II - 380 ACP - 1944 - 78290 Model I - 32 ACP - 1944 - 84482 'Extra' 9mm Largo - 1944 - 89123 Model IIIA - 380 ACP - (don't have year handy) - 739813. Jun 24, 2012. 317 7.65 mm. Gavage Automatic Pistol Armand Gavage Fab. (barrel has a barrel link like a 1911). III is distinguished by the addition of the grip safety but otherwise is the same as Mod. Mod. I I I I'l'i I'll I' I ' I H ( < I I I I l I ( I I I < 1 I I' I 'III. I n 11 ' I J .J. I don't think that model came out until the 90s. 175. Although Spain began proof marking shotguns in 1910, it was not until July 18, 1923, nearly 5 years after the end of the first world war that Spain's proofing system for its pistols came into use. Hi, I am trying to find out the year on a recently purchased Llama .380. Apparently derived from the 1900 Model Mannlicher. In the picture above, the square is actually the letter 'D' but in this case, the edge of the die has left an impression on the pistols frame and the stamp looks like a square. Garatc Anitua Garate, Anitua y Cia. nf I tutmTItinln li!i?ttl-'0|Milli'^ z r; 111 'In irlu'f m-Tniilniifi!--: m'T'-'-y ; ri-i-ij ^ i < i J.immtim , j11 ' i ' i | i11 ' ' I 1 ' I Ij 1111111 i n I M M . For all practical purposes, we are looking at the handguns produced under the 'Llama' name, and not the earlier Gabilondo y Cia products. This is a post-World War II production. 320 7.65 mm. It uses the standard third series frame and magazine as the 7.65P round fits perfectly. 1111! The frame and slide of the M82 are made from steel, so the gun is relatively heavy, but strong. iiull.l'%'lr. Llama 380 Serial Number HistoryLlama Serial Number YearLlama 45 Serial Number LookupLlama Pistol Ser. 1911 Pistols manufactured for foreign Governments either in US or outside US. EN. Also, based on the fact there are no . If this was a coin, it would no doubt raise its value, but I doubt if it did that for this pistol. At some point after this some guns in need of work were sent to Astra to be refinished, later bought and sold by Interarms which was a CIA cover company. No visible import markings can be seen on this pistol. 1911A1, but without the grip safety, and in 9 mm. The E is for engraved . check out the. It came to me directly from Spain via my importer. Search Amazon. Little Tom Wiener Waffenfabrik Vienna, Austria No. X, with the addition of a grip safety, which was added immediately following World War II. They started making a gun in 1914 based on the Browning 1903 and the modifications of the design by earlier guns like the Astra Victoria 1911 and called it the Ruby. [ : i^! 529. VII (or IV) style are known to have been made in the 7.63 Mauser caliber, expressly for the German trade, and it is possible that the designation of Mod. 1911A1 Colt. However, factory literature of 1936-39 shows this model in .45 cal. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 'F. s| 111111 11 i i I ' . Parabellum, 9 mm. 'Le Secours' Marketed by Garate, Anitua y Cia. This addition seems to have been the first application of a grip safety to a Llama pistol and was introduced prior to World War II. They are solid shooters except for the MiniMax II SC model. Sorry for posting 3 times. Just trying to help!! 326 7.65 mm. There are no Llama pistols designated as Models XII, XIII, and XIV as these designations have been reserved for and are used on the Llama revolvers. Llama IIIA- Series 2 variation 1 .380 acp, locked breech, 165mm overall length with two vents in the rib. I have only seen one actual IX .45 for sale anywhere and I do not own one to show a pic. Llama means Flame in Spanish, but they used the animal as their logo as well. Llama Model 1 (A-31 or. III, but this has not been confirmed. I will add here that Spain never bought guns from Llama for anygovernment agency unless it was the Trauler model VI for the Secret Service, that I can find any record of. V.-Made in 9 mm. Or call Stoeger Industries Customer Service at (301) 283-6981 (option 2) or (800) 264-4962 (option 2), 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. EST, Monday through Friday. Astra, Star and Llama were the only companies allowed to make guns after the war was over and Astra was rewarded by being allowed to refinish them. The Omni was not a success, primarily because the sophistication of the piece led to production costs, and a retail price, that far exceeded many of its more conventional rivals. This gun can be found with Especial on the right side of the slide as well as one with no marking on the right or only 9mm Automatic. Create your own unique website with customizable templates. 1252895 gaa llama max i 45 pistol p803458 mos mossberg 500 410 shotgun r733890 mos mossberg 500 12 shotgun e121374 naa north american arms mini master target 22 revolver The letters are scroll. JavaScript is disabled. This is an importers stamp that is now required to be placed on firearms that have entered the U.S. Spanish Blue Steel. In this case the O, 1944. It is a Tauler model VI and is exactly what the Llama model VI looks like. Mini Max sub compact - .45 caliber 10 shot double stack magazine. Several styles of grip pieces and markings have been noted. It has been suggested that the name Modello IV may have been reserved for the Tauler pistol which is identical to it. *f j : 11: t i : ' : ' i?. However, many police departments do not offer this service. i I I i 'i . It is marked .38 caliber rather than 9 mm. Although mine has a date code of V (1951), it has a grip safety. Langenhan Zella-Mehlis, Germany No. The flaming bomb proof indicated that a semi-automatic pistol was fired and had passed two proof loads, each of which was 30 percent more then the normal maximum operating pressure. Llama III self-loading pistol modeled after the Colt 1911, and chambered in .380 ACP. They were of high quality and have been sold around the world. Llama XI A - 9mm P - full size gun with 5" barrel . III-A.-This post-World War II version of Mod. Llama Llama means Flame in Spanish, but they used the animal as their logo as well. If you intend to buy something from the companies advertising above, or near the bottom of our pages, please use their banners in our sites. I j. 'Izarra' Pistola Automtica Bonifacio Echeverra Eibar, Spain No. Llama XVII- .22 calcalled the Executive. This pistol is still made. During WWII a company named Geco, Gustav Genschow & Co, imported guns from Spain to be sold to Nazi party members and marked their guns with the Geco logo which is a large G with the eco inside it. until they exhausted the alphabet, then they started with "A*2" and III-A.-This post-World War II version of Mod. Mossberg did not put serial numbers on most long guns until 1968 (GCA 1968 required them) Parker Brothers Serial Numbers and Grades. III.-This was a 9 mm. 323 7.65 mm. Another company did import them but they are not marked in any way. I also have a pic of this gun with Tauler on it. The 25-2 would have had factory Goncalo Alves checkered target stocks. This was far more than Gabilando could produce so he contracted with others to produce for him. Mod. FREE Military Tough 6-in-1 Tactical Survival Knife, Free 2nd Amendment Gun Rights Silver Coin, Green Beret Master Sergeant Home Security Checklist, Winning Plays Texted To Your Phone That Comes Directly From An Elite Team Of Sharps, Gabilondo pistols - Firearms identification, High Standard Pistols - Firearms identification. !.mli,iili,Sli.iilimli.iilU, 7.65 mm. If you want to become a sponsor and see your banner in the above panel, click here to contact us. Mod. My understanding is that at this time Gabilondo had 5 employees. To get into BIOS menu, press F2 button repeatedly after powering up until BIOS menu shows up.